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Post by GooRoo on Aug 11, 2010 8:31:19 GMT -8
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Post by oldone on Aug 11, 2010 14:32:56 GMT -8
What a great level, Zu.  Keep 'em coming. I missed a coin somewhere but I'll find it on the next try. I love levels like this. You really have to think but you don't need a lot of dexterity. Thanks again |
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Post by GooRoo on Aug 11, 2010 17:21:54 GMT -8
As alwayz, if one of you Gruntzerz manage to achieve a " PERFECT!" score, I would appreciate receiving the screen grab (JPEG format preferred) so I may provide it for documentation purposez. It really doesn't matter what you name it, I will SAVE it as Statz.jpg in the folder for the Custom Level ... naming it Statz.jpg just savez me a small step.  And the Statz Page image will be credited to the source! |
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Post by Tomalla on Aug 12, 2010 2:18:35 GMT -8
Here ya go:  |
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Post by Zu on Aug 12, 2010 2:55:09 GMT -8
10 Survivors, 1 Death? How did you managed that?  All of those two resurrected gruntz were supposed to be sacrificed... I see you've discovered all hidden coins and other objects required to get Perfect score - well done!  I was thinking sometimes aren't they hidden too well in some cases. Thank you very much for opinion. It was satisfying thing to make my first level, and not that hard as I was thinking long ago (although I admit that the editor could be more user-friendly in usage). |
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Post by Tomalla on Aug 12, 2010 3:51:55 GMT -8
10 Survivors, 1 Death? How did you managed that? All of those two resurrected gruntz were supposed to be sacrificed... I see you've discovered all hidden coins and other objects required to get Perfect score - well done! I was thinking sometimes aren't they hidden too well in some cases. That required some perfect timing: when the enemy Grunt with Welder'z Kit was going to attack my first Grunt, I ordered my second one to attack him; the outcome was the enemy giving Scroll to the first one while attacking the second After that I had even a spare Beach Ball, which I kept until the part with Wingz ... Sadly I had to waste it  The Wingz have not enough power to return to my Beach Ball and in a result - my Grunt always lands in a water shouting "Fallen angel over here!"  Coins? They aren't hidden that well ... You know what, looking beneath every tree on the way in just enough  Thank you very much for opinion. It was satisfying thing to make my first level, and not that hard as I was thinking long ago (although I admit that the editor could be more user-friendly in usage). Lucky you ... My first CL was freaking hard! Just like my 2nd ... and maybe 3rd ... Ah nevermind. And about this editor, I was trying to make a brand new one but since I don't know what the structure of *.WWDz is, I'm helpless unfortunately.  When should I expect your next CLz?  |
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Post by Zu on Aug 12, 2010 4:09:25 GMT -8
Hmm, it didn't required moving your grunt next to the enemy one (because he wasn't moving) and in result, getting him trapped with scroll to read and fireball coming? Yeah, that's it. They're just enough hidden to make solver unable to notice their presence until he'll go and check. It depends on when I'll get myself to creating new ones. Maybe during next week, maybe later. Who knows? |
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Post by Tomalla on Aug 12, 2010 4:13:12 GMT -8
Hmm, it didn't required moving your grunt next to the enemy one (because he wasn't moving) and in result, getting him trapped with scroll to read and fireball coming? Something just ain't right ... The enemy Welder'z Kit Grunt was coming after me right after I lowered the pyramid! He definitely wasn't standing still. |
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Post by Zu on Aug 12, 2010 4:22:14 GMT -8
Well, for me, he's standing still until one of my gruntz moves next to him. Then he makes use of his trap, and then goes after rest of my gruntz. This is a moment when beach ball needs to be used and green pyramid to be activated, so enemy will not pursue me. I don't know why for you he starts his pursue after lowering the pyramid, while for me he doesn't. Although it doesn't make great difference for level's "solvability", so I guess it's not a big problem. |
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Post by Tomalla on Aug 12, 2010 5:06:56 GMT -8
I don't know why for you he starts his pursue after lowering the pyramid, while for me he doesn't. Although it doesn't make great difference for level's "solvability", so I guess it's not a big problem. Of course it doesn't, I'm just a type of a person who makes challenges for himself I'm trying to have as much items spared as possible to make next puzzles easier ( in case I wouldn't make it ). I even planned killing those 4 Object Guards without the Reactive Armor ( it is possible without losing any health! ) but I figured out it won't help me at anything ( Reactive Armor is a timed item so it's useful only at a time you pick it up ). |
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Post by BattlezM on Aug 12, 2010 12:12:41 GMT -8
This is a great first levels. I missed where the red warp is though. And I'm sure you'll get the hang of the editor really quickly, it actually becomez pretty easy after a while. And I ended up doing what Tomalla did. It took me a few timez as I was trying to do the exchange trick where you'd simultaneously give toyz and nothing would be fired. As I spent time trying to get the timing on that, I noticed the scroll my grunt got was resurrect...like 4-5 timez in a row. (alas after some poking I got a freeze spell) I for a second thought you made some sort of breakthrough in being able to get an intended spell to be read and looked at that area in the editor. That leadz me to address your intended solution, the welder grunt had an actual sense range, it should have been set to 0. The only reason he doesn't run after you immediately is because there was another AI set to a different team. This kinda keepz the grunt glued there, even if a player's grunt is reachable. He does start coming after you when you step forward though, but you get plenty of time to run away afterwardz. |
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Post by Zu on Aug 12, 2010 13:06:56 GMT -8
Thank you very much. Every single tree may contain the secret. The spells are random, but only health, resurrection and freeze seems to be used (I suggest to take a look on pages about Scroll Grunt and Magic Wand Grunt). I thought that the error that causes them to attack immediately after giving the scroll would be perfect for this kind of trap, at least in theory. Note that I didn't noticed this "no chasing" thing mentioned at the bottom... or I just didn't checked this further. Well, his sense range is set to 2, enough to start pursuing solver's gruntz when they are near. There is absolutely no error in team numbers, all of those 3 guys there are using the same one. Why in my game he stands still at first, it remains unknown... an interesting mystery, I guess. Note that originally, the scroll grunt was intended to start his pursuit right after lowering the pyramid... well, one way or another, the result is good enough, I think. |
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Post by BattlezM on Aug 12, 2010 15:26:19 GMT -8
Well, his sense range is set to 2, enough to start pursuing solver's gruntz when they are near. There is absolutely no error in team numbers, all of those 3 guys there are using the same one. Why in my game he stands still at first, it remains unknown... an interesting mystery, I guess. Note that originally, the scroll grunt was intended to start his pursuit right after lowering the pyramid... well, one way or another, the result is good enough, I think. well in my copy the scrollerz are set to team 3 and the mad bomber is on team 1...(bomber being the enemy I refer to) |
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Post by GooRoo on Aug 12, 2010 16:24:04 GMT -8
Here ya go: Thank you, Tomalla! I will upload that to the web host, and link it in into the original post, with credit to Tomalla.  |
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Post by Zu on Aug 12, 2010 16:30:57 GMT -8
Oh? Ouch, I must have forgot about something in this case. But okay, they're not attacking themselves, and bomber is out of scroller's reach anyway. I was wondering when you'll do so. Thanks. Just to note, in default solution there should be 9 survivorz and 2 deathz. |
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Post by Rik on Aug 13, 2010 8:07:36 GMT -8
How do you get the purple pyramids down for the 2 gruntz. I have the gruntz with the magic stick in the closed purple pyramids ?
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Post by Zu on Aug 13, 2010 8:33:35 GMT -8
I'm not sure does I understand the question, but:
1. If you're asking about how gauntletz grunt and sponge gun grunt are supposed to get passed through the purple pyramids, then you must lead the wizards to the purple buttons.
2. If you're asking how resurrecting wizard is supposed to get passed, then you must resurrect the goos on the purple buttons when rolling balls are not currently on them, and quickly pass the lowered pyramids before resurrected gruntz gets killed once again.
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Post by Rik on Aug 14, 2010 4:04:53 GMT -8
I'm not sure does I understand the question, but: 1. If you're asking about how gauntletz grunt and sponge gun grunt are supposed to get passed through the purple pyramids, then you must lead the wizards to the purple buttons. 2. If you're asking how resurrecting wizard is supposed to get passed, then you must resurrect the goos on the purple buttons when rolling balls are not currently on them, and quickly pass the lowered pyramids before resurrected gruntz gets killed once again. I did not see that a new gruntz in the black pyramids get free Thanks |
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Post by oldone on Aug 15, 2010 10:05:04 GMT -8
I found which coin I missed and I still missed it because I cannot figure out how to get it. It is behind the iron pyramidz above the resurrecting wizard and below the rolling ballz wizard. I feel like there must be a red warp or secret switch somewhere, but the statz page tells me that I got all the secrets. How the heck do you get it?  Nevermind, I think I just figured it out.  |
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Post by Rik on Aug 16, 2010 3:58:38 GMT -8
I found which coin I missed and I still missed it because I cannot figure out how to get it. It is behind the iron pyramidz above the resurrecting wizard and below the rolling ballz wizard. I feel like there must be a red warp or secret switch somewhere, but the statz page tells me that I got all the secrets. How the heck do you get it? Nevermind, I think I just figured it out. I did have the same problem to get that coin, till i move the wizard near that coin and did magic |
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All of those two resurrected gruntz were supposed to be sacrificed...
I was thinking sometimes aren't they hidden too well in some cases.
The Wingz have not enough power to return to my Beach Ball and in a result - my Grunt always lands in a water shouting "Fallen angel over here!" 
